Nor are we here concerned with general remarks made in debate which contradict either the face of the statute or statements in committee reports. On the contrary, we have before us on the one hand a statute that is not clear on its face and committee reports that seem to support petitioners’ view although they can perhaps be deemed ambiguous. On the other hand we have statements made by the floor managers that fully explain the changes in the bill. These floor managers were members of the legislative committees that held extensive hearings and were responsible for formulating the legislation.14
Only recently, in circumstances similar to those in the instant case, a unanimous Supreme Court relied on statements made in debate, not only by a sponsor of legislation and by a member of the Conference Committee but also by other members of Congress, and regarded such statements as authoritative indicators of congressional intent. First Nat’l Bank of Logan, Utah v. Walker Bank, supra, 385 U.S. at 258-260, 87 S.Ct. 492; see also Brown Shoe Co. v. United States, 370 U.S. 294, 311-323, 82 S.Ct. 1502, 8 L.Ed.2d 510 (1962).
The authorities cited by the Board do not support the view that we may disregard or give little or no weight to statements made on the floor of Congress under the circumstances of this case. In United States v. International Union United Automobile, etc., Workers (UAW-CIO), 352 U.S. 567, 77 S.Ct. 529, 1 L.Ed.2d 563 (1957) although the Court did say that debate is not entitled to the same weight “as carefully considered committee reports,” it still examined the debate, finding that it confirmed what was contained in the reports. 352 U.S. at 586-587 & n. 1, 77 S.Ct. 529 Duplex Printing Press Co. v. Deering, 254 U.S. 443, 474-475, 41 S.Ct. 172, 65 L.Ed. 349 (1921) exhibits a similar treatment of Congressional debate. Nicholas v. Denver & Rio Grande W. R. R., 195 F.2d 428, 431-432 (10th Cir. 1952), whatever dictum the opinion may contain to the contrary, fully supports the position that we take here.
If, as we hold, Congress did not give the Board power to authorize inclusive tours, it is immaterial whether, as the Board contends, the proposed regulations will be effective in curbing abuses of the inclusive tour certificates.
Since the Motor Carrier Act is quite different from the Federal Aviation Act in language, statutory structure and legislative history, the fact that all expense tours have been approved under the Motor Carrier Act (see National Bus Traffic Ass’n v. United States, 143 F.Supp. 689 (D.N.J.1956), aff’d per curiam, 352 U.S. 1020, 77 S.Ct. 589, 1 L.Ed.2d 595 (1957)) is not at all persuasive in construing Public Law 87-528, even if we assume that the tours there authorized are similar to those approved by the Board in this case, an assumption that petitioners vigorously contest.
We hold that the certificates before us awarding inclusive tour authority to supplemental air carriers in foreign and overseas transportation are invalid.
Since our conclusion that the Board acted in excess of its statutory powers is dispositive of the case, we need not pass on the other points raised by petitioners.
The orders are set aside and the case remanded to the Board for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.
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For example, Representative Harris was the Chairman of the House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, Representative Williams was Chairman of the Subcommittee on Transportation and Aeronautics of which Representative Collier was a member, Senator Monroney was chairman of the Subcommittee on Aviation, Senators Thurmond, Cotton, Morton and Scott were on that committee.
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Of the Southern District of New York, sitting by designation.