Riggio’s suggestion to Jerry Chambrone, was — almost in a laughing manner — checking out whether he was being tape recorded. Miller replies, “No. You want me to sit this way?” Appellant says, “I don’t care.” He then begins to talk about his contract with CSC and T.J.’s eighteen years of work for the computer company. Partly unintelligible conversation takes place in the course of which Thomas Ciambrone says that “we’re goin[g] to court,” and then he says that
all the other messenger services, heavy, heavy messenger services, uh, armored trucks, (unintelligible) they haven’t bothered to touch it because they know the situation and I guess you didn’t know so I just figured I let you know because what it will end up being is we’re going to court. You’ll probably be named in it which will be very stupid. You’d have to be.
After discussing the litigation, Ciambrone adds, “I just figured when the drivers, for some reason have been pissed, and said they were gonna take things in their own hands and all the rest of that shit, I said that’s stupid. Right!” This last comment could clearly be taken as a hint at violence on the part of T.J.’s drivers.
After some more discussion, Ciambrone informs Miller,
I felt personally, okay, I can’t speak for other people but since I’m the owner of the company uh, I think you should just---- You’re turning open a big can of worms here. They’re using ya. And I know you want the business. They’re holdin[g] back. Show you letters, payment that they owe us for some work that we’ve done.
Miller tells Ciambrone that CSC asked him to apply for the business, that he gave the company a price on Zone 48, and that CSC accepted his offer.
The conversation then turns to a subject of critical importance in determining whether Ciambrone was involved in the conspiracy. With obvious reference to Riggio’s comments of two days before, Miller says, “Alright now I’m being threatened. Where, where do I come down there. Where do I stand?” Ciambrone abjures, “Not by me you’re not [being threatened].” Miller responds, “Well, Joe Riggio came here and said he was sent by you. Said he----” Ciambrone interrupts,
No sir, not by me. I don’t, I don’t threaten anybody. I never threatened anybody in my life. Ever. Like I said, and I say this very seriously. The drivers have gotten really, they grew up with everybody here and some of the people that work for you grew up with them. Okay. Uh, I don’t deal in business that way, I never have.”'
Parenthetically, it may be noted that the reference to the drivers is presumably to Ciambrone’s earlier comment that they were “pissed off.”
Ciambrone continues,
The one thing that I have, and I’ve had all my life, including right here ... is a reputation. I have my word, my bond and if anything, all the customer relationships that we have with regards to the areas. First of all, they’re with, they’re with the unions, which I’m not. Understand that, I never have been.
Miller presses Ciambrone by asking, “Is Joe Riggio with the union?” Ciambrone replies, “They ... everybody’s with the unions. I’m not with the unions.”
Miller asks Ciambrone, “Does he [Riggio] work for you?” According to the Government’s version, the T.J. president replies, “Joe Riggio never worked for me at all.” According to Ciambrone’s version, he replies, “Joe Riggio don’t work for me at all.” We are inclined to take the latter version since Miller’s next question — “Did he ever work for you?” — makes sense only as a follow-up to Ciambrone’s version of his statement. In any case, Ciambrone answers the question, “Uh, ten years ago, five or eight years ago, nine years ago. Worked for the same company. They got rid of him.” Miller next asks Thomas Ciambrone, “They did or you did [fire Riggio]?” Ciambrone says, “They didn’t want him. See, part of the contract reads they have the right. If they don’t like some