Leuci: Alright, alright, alright, so listen, I’ll put that, I’ll put that to him, fifteen hundred dollars for the Grand Jury minutes, and aside from that, more important, a thousand I’m getting, you know.
Rosner: How long will it take him to get them?
Leuci: Well let’s find out. Like I said to him, you know .
De Stefano: If we don’t get it pronto, then we don’t need em.
Rosner: . . . Doesn’t do us any good to get it at the last minute.
De Stefano: We don’t get it pronto, we don’t need it.
Leuci: You’re going to get it at the last minute anyway, right?
Rosner: . . . We’ll get them as a matter of right anyway. So with us it’s just a matter of time, and we’re paying a lot of money for nothing.
They finally agree that Leuci will supply the minutes by Friday.
Later on, after some courthouse gossip, the conversation returns to the grand jury minutes. Leuci affirms that he will get them by Friday and the others speculate about whether they should await the trial. Rosner comments:
The, that’s what they’re required to do — they don’t have to do [deleted]— they go right by the book. The book gives it to you like after the witness testifies you get it but I’d like to know anyway — actually we’re ready regardless, but, oh, I’d rather have it. I’d rather be forewarned (inaudible one second).
Thus, casually, Rosner agrees to pay $2500 to bribe a government official for grand jury minutes which he will receive in any case in less than a month.
When appellant joined Leuci and De Stefano at the next meeting on October 15, Leuci greeted him by saying “There is no reason for you to be here.” Rosner asks Leuci “Do you think [your contact is] going to come up with anything?” and Leuci responds: “Easy, apparently there’s nothing to it.”
They then discuss the availability of witnesses in the subornation case.
Rosner: “I know they got one guy for sure, I would like to know about the other two, whether they located them . . .” and “But that guy is one of the three guys, I think, — see if you can get me the details of the other two either they can’t locate them or what.”
Rosner tells Leuci what to look for. He says:
“I’d like to know just, ah, who the one is they’re having difficulty with — I mean who this guy’s, — just what the story is — how” [inaudible two seconds].
' Leuci: “I’m sure all that I can find out.
Rosner: And the other thing [inaudible] get all, eh, whatever [inaudible] you can get background on Pulido.” [inaudible five seconds].
Leuci: Yeh, all right — you want his yellow sheet?
There was a discussion on October 13 concerning whether Leuci could locate information about George Stewart, a defendant whom Rosner represented in a multiple-defendant case and who was suspected of having become a government witness. Leuci testified that De Stefano, not in the presence of Rosner, had asked him to find out whether Stewart, who was under indictment, had become an informant. The substance of this conversation is on the tapes.
On the October 15 tape, when Rosner joins them, De Stefano brings him up to date: “We’re talking about Stewart, Eddie.” Leuci says “if he is a real special, top-notch stool, it may not be available so easy.” De Stefano says, in the presence of Rosner, “It’s worth it, whatever, it is, worth it, I told you that.”
When Leuci asks for more background on the matter, Rosner, after hearing the corrupt bargain, volunteers to provide information about his client in order to further Leuci’s illegal endeavor: “I can